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- Good evening, everyone,

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and thank you so much for joining us.

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My name is Vanessa Ruget,

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I am a professor in
the politics department

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at Salem State University

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and I am also the faculty
fellow for research.

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And it is my pleasure to introduce

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and moderate today's webinar

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on Implementing Disability Justice

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Using Intersectional and
Anti-oppressive Approaches

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for Helping Professionals.

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This panel is the third and the last one

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in our series on disability justice.

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It was a series organized

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by the Center for Research
and Creative Activities

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as well as the Berry Library.

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And we are so excited

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that so many of you are
able to join us tonight.

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We invite you to ask your
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if I am unable to get to your question,

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So we have two fantastic speakers tonight,

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and I will briefly introduce them

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and pass over the microphone to them.

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So Dr. Lisa Johnson is an
associate professor of social work

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here at Salem State University.

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Lisa has practiced

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in both the child welfare
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and worked with systems

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for nonprofit development
and community organizing.

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Her interests and area of
personal and professional inquiry

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include child welfare,

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disability, equity and social justice,

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social work education,

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workforce development and leadership

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and social work and a natural environment.

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Rose Singh is a PhD candidate

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at Memorial University of
Newfoundland and Labrador

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and a sessional lecturer
at Dalhousie University.

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Rose is also a practicing social worker

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and she brings over two
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working in the social service sector

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with a focus on supporting youth

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and adults living with disabilities,

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mental health concerns and substance use.

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Rose teaches courses on
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social justice,

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and critical approaches to
social work practice and policy

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in the areas of disability,
mental health and addictions.

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Rose's research and scholarship

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interests center on critical social work,

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education, social justice,

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disability justice, mental health,

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online learning and teaching
and emerging technologies.

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Thank you so much to both of
you for being here tonight.

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And I will pass on the floor.

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- Thank you, Vanessa. And
good evening, everyone.

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I am Lisa Johnson, and it
is a pleasure to be with you

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and be presenting to you tonight.

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In way of a physical
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I am a Black woman with deep brown skin,

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I am wearing eyeglasses this evening

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and a light pink turtleneck sweater.

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I have my hair pulled back in a bun

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and I am wearing white earbuds,
and I use she/her pronouns.

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- I'm Rose Singh, and I'm
honored to be here as well.

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A physical description of
myself for those joining.

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I've got brown hair, white
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and a purple sweater and
also use she/her pronouns.

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- So tonight we're going
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about implementing disability justice

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and using intersectional and
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for helping professionals.

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In terms of our presentation this evening,

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we will be touching on a
very brief introduction

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to disability and disability justice.

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We will also talk about
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and practice frameworks,

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and employ a case example

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as a way to apply disability
justice principles

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and the practice frameworks to practice.

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And we hope to leave a few
moments at the end for questions.

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- I'll begin by giving an
overview of disability.

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Prevalence in the United States

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is 27% of the US adult
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22% of Canadians aged 15 and
older live with disabilities.

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We also wanna make a note about language.

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There's identity-first language,

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which includes using
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or person-first language.

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An example of this is
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With language,

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it's really important to follow the lead

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of the disabled person.

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Note the language and terms they are using

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and respectfully ask if
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And in this presentation
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we tend to use identity-first language,

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such as disabled person.

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We'd also like to highlight
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Models of disability offer explanations

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on the individual experiences
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of disabled people in
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The most common and influential

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are the medical and social
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The medical model views disability

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as an individual problem and deficit

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and is rooted in the notion

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that there is an ideal
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that is welcome and preferred in society.

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Disabled activists and
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named and developed a
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in resistance to the medical model.

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And within the social model of disability,

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as Cameron writes,

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impairment is a condition or attribute,

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whereas disability is
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or failed to respond to the
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there's an image of a person
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who's at the bottom of a set of stairs

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and there is a sign on the stairs

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that states "Way in. Everyone welcome."

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On the left side of the
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with the statement stating
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they should cure her or
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there is a word bubble with the statement

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"The stairs are the problem,
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And this image is attributed
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a hashtag, as adapted from
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And the medical model
understanding of their experiences

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states that they are the problem,

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and the person should be
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Whereas, the social model highlights

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the barriers the person experiences

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and that a ramp should be built

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rather than leaving the
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for disabled people.

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The impacts of living with an impairment

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are acknowledged in the social model,

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while highlighting the many
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that disregard and exclude disabled people

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in disability communities.

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noted that the social model of disability

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was not intended to be the only theorizing

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and encouraged an evolution
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as well as building new models
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We'd also like to highlight
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that are really important
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within this conversation in the community.

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Throughout history and in modern day,

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disabled people and disability communities

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have experienced oppression
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used to describe this
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towards disabled people
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is ableism.

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Disability identity

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encompasses how a disabled
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their self-identification
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their connections to disability culture

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their ways of interacting

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within navigating the ableist context

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and society around them.

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Through the use of the term
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there is acknowledgement of the diversity

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among disabled people and
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nationally, and globally.

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It's also a distinct recognition
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and the resistance through
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is also an important part
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and disability culture.

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Disability resistance and movements

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are a result of the past,

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a present day treatment
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which is included institutionalization,

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eugenics, incarceration, and
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There was this disability
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in the 1960s onwards,

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which also led to the 1990
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or ADA, which protects disabled
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There's also the
independent living movement

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that led to de-institutionalization

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and more community inclusion.

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The disability justice
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and was led by a group of disabled, queer,

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and racialized activists
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Mia Minguez, Leroy Moore, Stacey Milbern,

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Eli Clare and Sebastian Margaret.

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And together they formed
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to guide their collective advocacy.

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From the Sins Invalid 2019 book

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"Skin, Tooth, and Bone:

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The Basis of Movement is Our People."

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On page 11, they describe
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as understanding all bodies
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all bodies have strengths
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we are powerful not despite
the complexities of our bodies

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but because of them,

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and all bodies are combined
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sexuality class, nation
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and we cannot separate them.

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And there's 10 disability
justice principles

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that were created by
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who formed Sins Invalid,

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and these include intersectionality.

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Quoting Audre Lorde, "We do
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Ableism is coupled with white supremacy,

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supported by capitalism

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and underscored by heteropatriarchy

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and has rendered the vast
majority of the world invalid.

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There's also the principle
of the leadership

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of the most impacted.

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And to quote Morales,

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"We are led by those who
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And there's anti-capitalist politics.

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And in an economy that sees land in humans

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as components of profits,

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disability justice is anti-capitalist

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by the nature of having
non-conforming bodies and minds.

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There's also commitment to
cross movement, organizing,

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shifting how social justice movements

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understand disability and
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That disability justice

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lends itself to the politics of alliance.

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There's also recognizing wholeness

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that people have inherent worth

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outside of commodity relations

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and capitalist notions of
productivity and worth.

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And each person is full of
history and life experience.

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The disability justice
principle of sustainability,

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which means pacing ourselves
individually and collectively

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to be sustained over the long term,

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and that our embodied experiences

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guide us toward ongoing
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There's a commitment to
cross disability solidarity,

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honoring the insights and participation

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of all community members,

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knowing that isolation
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and the principle of interdependence

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that meeting each other's needs is crucial

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as we build towards liberation.

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Also, collective access,
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indigenous and queer
disabled people's experiences

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and access needs.

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And collective liberation

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that no body or mind can be left behind

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in only moving together

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that we can accomplish
the revolution we require.

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And to summarize, drawing
on the work of Sami Schalk,

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disability justice centers
the insights, knowledges,

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voices and experiences
of the disabled people

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and communities most
oppressed past, present.

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- Now, we'll briefly go over
theory and practice frameworks

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that can support implementing
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in our practice as helping professionals,

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they are critical cultural competence,

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intersectionality and
anti-oppressive practice.

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The concept of cultural competence

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is familiar to practitioners

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in a variety of helping disciplines.

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Cultural competence supports our focus

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on working effectively across cultures.

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Critical cultural competence
is an enhancement of this

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and that it focuses on
knowledge and behaviors

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that support effective
cross-cultural engagement

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as well as the harnessing of
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for policy and social change.

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Critical cultural competence

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also highlights the
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the fact that culture in
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and that individuals
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personal experiences can be fluid.

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Critical cultural competence

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also helps us recognize the need

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for an ongoing commitment
to self-evaluation,

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as well as an ongoing commitment

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to knowledge and skill development.

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It promotes attention to power
imbalances and relationships

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and in the environment.

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we can think of it as being useful

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in supporting acknowledgement

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of positive elements of
disability and disability culture,

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and in helping us to critique

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ableist systems and structures.

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Intersectionality is another
concept that is likely familiar

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and has been utilized more
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and professional settings,

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especially within the last few years.

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It is an idea that has been around

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for a much longer time though,

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and it's rooted primarily in the writing

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and thinking of women of color
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Bell Hooks, the Combahee River Collective,

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Gloria Anzaldúa, and Kimberlé Crenshaw.

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Intersectionality or an
intersectional perspective

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view social identities

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and the experiences of
privilege and oppression

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based on these identities

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as interlocking and interdependent.

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It's a way of understanding

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and examining the complexities
of human interactions

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with one another, with institutions,

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and with a larger society.

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An intersectional perspective

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looks at each person's
particular social location

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as a combination of
their personal identity

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and their social identities.

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It allows for a more
comprehensive appreciation

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and understanding of individual
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because it helps us take into account

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multiple interdependent identities,

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and avoid seeing people
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Finally, anti-oppressive practice.

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With a more recent introduction in the US,

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anti-oppressive practice
traces its development

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from radical and structural social work

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and other helping professions in Canada.

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Critical social work in
Australia, and anti-racism,

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and anti-discriminatory
care work in Britain.

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By building on numerous
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anti-oppressive practice is positioned

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as a transformative approach

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to helping professions and care work.

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Anti-oppressive practice centers

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on recognizing and challenging
power and depression.

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It helps us move beyond,

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only focusing on individual level problems

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of people accessing services,

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to consider personal, cultural,

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and structural levels of oppression

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such as ableism, racism,
ageism and sexism.

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Anti-oppressive practice

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promotes us raising our consciousness

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and doing so in a critical way,

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which is the ongoing process
of critically reflecting

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and analyzing one's
values, biases, worldview,

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as well as the shifting of power dynamics

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to support empowerment of communities,

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especially historically
marginalized communities

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that we may be engaging with
as helping professionals.

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We can use anti-oppressive
practice framework

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as a way to deconstruct
dominant notions of disability

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as a way to push back against stereotypes

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of disabled people.

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And we can target barriers to
inclusion of disabled people.

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And we can also affirm

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disability identities and experiences.

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- So keep in mind the
disability justice principles

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in these practice frameworks

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as we discuss our case example next.

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The image on this slide

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is of circles overlapping
and forming a Venn diagram.

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The three larger circles

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contain the theory and practice frameworks

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of critical cultural confidence,

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intersectionality and
anti-oppressive practice,

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and the smaller inner circle
contains disability justice.

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And we'll be using a more
social work focused case example

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in which a clinical social worker

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is working with a client
over a period of weeks.

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But we encourage you to think
about how this might apply

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to your own context with
the people you work with,

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whether they be students,
patients, service users,

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groups or communities.

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- So in this case example,

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we're going to be
needing Josie and Regina.

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Josie is a licensed
clinical social worker,

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and she receives a referral

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to work with a new client, Regina.

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Josie's based in an outpatient
mental health center

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and is tasked with providing
Regina with counseling

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and support to address
challenges she is facing

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with family members and work colleagues.

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Given that some of the
agencies work with clients

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has shifted to remote since the pandemic,

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Josie is primarily using
a telehealth platform

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to connect with Regina.

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The case file Josie reviews
includes an intake form

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filled out by Regina,

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and records from the agency
agency's previous involvement

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in Regina's life.

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Josie notes that Regina
identifies as a Black woman

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and that she grew up in a rural area

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in Western Massachusetts

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where her family has
lived for generations.

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Josie reads that Regina
is a high school graduate

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who tries to maintain a balance

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between being able to
engage in meaningful work,

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that does not put receipt of
her healthcare benefits at risk

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in order to manage the care
she needs for her disability,

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which is identified as autism.

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Josie herself identifies
as a white cisgender woman

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who is non-disabled.

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As we move through this case

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and talk about things we will consider,

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we'll discuss several steps or phases

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and considerations at each
of these steps or phases.

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And we'll think about how
we might actually apply

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the theory and practice frameworks

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as well as disability justice
principles at each phase.

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So prior to meeting for the first time,

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we have the opportunity to engage

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in both reflective and
reflective practices.

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Essentially, what this means
is that we can keep in mind

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our theories and practice frameworks

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as well as the disability
justice principles,

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and use those to prompt us

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to reflect on our own social identities,

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our own positions within the social order,

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our own worldviews and our knowledge.

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We can then think about how we might apply

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these understandings to
our practice decisions

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and our behaviors.

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We can also recognize

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that there are likely limits
to our current knowledge,

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whether they be about the
particular person or group

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that will be working with

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or about the case situation
or the broader context,

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and we can use this time and opportunity

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to seek out additional information.

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We can think of this as
a pre-engagement phase,

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pre-engagement reflection and action.

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And this helps us think about
what we may need to consider

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or do prior to engaging
in work with our clients,

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our students, our patients, et cetera.

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And this might be done, for example,

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during the days before
the first office meeting

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after a case is assigned,

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or in the summer before
starting a new school year,

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or in the break before a new semester,

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or whenever there's an
opportunity to think specifically

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or more generally

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about how one can
practice intersectionally,

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competently and justly,

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either with a specific client

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or with our clients or students
or patients in general.

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And so in this case situation,

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Josie takes the opportunity

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before she meets with Regina to reflect,

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and she asked herself

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about her understanding of disability,

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of autism, of broader disability culture.

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She uses this opportunity
if there's something

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that she feels she
needs to explore further

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to access information through books,

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videos, other resources.

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She may use colleagues
at work as resources.

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- So when beginning this work,

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there's also some additional
considerations to keep in mind.

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So this would be the point

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where Josie and Regina
would be meeting each other.

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And so if you were to
consider this more broadly

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for the context that
you may be working in,

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this would include an opportunity
to learn from the client

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or the patient or the
student or the service user

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that you're working with.

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Specifically, for example,

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about their cultures, their identities.

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Think about how you might
connect across cultures

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and the different roles that you have.

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And really important is how
can you develop goals together.

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So when doing this work,
in starting this work,

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Josie acknowledges the
differences and the commonalities

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that may influence how
she works with Regina.

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Josie respectfully asks Regina

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what is important to her and
for her around identity culture

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and what is it that Regina
would like to work on?

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And as they continue this work together,

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there's the phase of
exploring strengths and needs.

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So in your context, again,

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considering the many different contexts

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you might be working in,

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this can include centering
the client's narrative

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about what's going on,

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what they think needs to be changed,

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what tools or resources
are available to help.

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Also to go back to the
frameworks that we've included

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and draw on specific skills

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related to critical cultural competence,

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anti-oppressive practice,

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self-reflection to inform
how you'll work together.

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Be aware of how social norms,

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agency policies or laws may
influence understandings

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of the problems presented and
potential solutions posed,

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and identifying circles of support

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and the potential for
respecting the dignity of risk.

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So this is the right to take risks

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when going through life and
its various experiences.

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And dignity of risk is
fundamental for disabled people,

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as many do not have a voice

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in regards to their life circumstances,

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and were and still often are reviewed

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as unable to make
decisions for themselves.

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And the specific application
of these considerations

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for Josie and Regina,

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is Josie is mindful of the
level of cultural sensitivity,

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of the agency mandated
clinical assessment tools

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she's required to use,

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and make sure to integrate
critical perspectives

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with the information gained

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from these clinical tools she uses.

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Josie also invites Regina

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to explain the situation in her own words

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and encourages her to connect with friends

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that she has to the autistic
self-advocacy network.

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- So after thinking

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about what strengths
and needs are present,

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essentially an assessment type of phase,

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you might enter a phase

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where you're actually
doing the work together,

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engaging in the intervention
or engaging in the treatment

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or actually making or
implementing the change

530
00:28:42,750 --> 00:28:45,300
that you're working on
together as a client

531
00:28:45,300 --> 00:28:48,900
or student or patient
and helping professional.

532
00:28:48,900 --> 00:28:53,010
And in this phase, it's
important to think about how,

533
00:28:53,010 --> 00:28:54,690
as you move through the work together,

534
00:28:54,690 --> 00:28:59,690
you're continuing to support
the concept of dignity of risk

535
00:29:01,830 --> 00:29:04,290
and self-determination
to the extent possible,

536
00:29:04,290 --> 00:29:07,011
as well as supporting the
use of circles of support

537
00:29:07,011 --> 00:29:10,290
such as Regina's friends

538
00:29:10,290 --> 00:29:13,263
in the autistic self-advocacy network.

539
00:29:15,570 --> 00:29:17,070
We might also be thinking

540
00:29:17,070 --> 00:29:21,840
about how we might foster
inclusion, community inclusion,

541
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:25,170
both through integrating
the disabled person

542
00:29:25,170 --> 00:29:27,480
into the larger society,

543
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:32,480
and thinking about how
society in microform, right?

544
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:37,980
So perhaps the family
context, the work context,

545
00:29:37,980 --> 00:29:41,073
and the neighborhood context
itself can be changed.

546
00:29:42,510 --> 00:29:44,640
And another consideration
during this phase

547
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:47,790
is remembering nothing
about us without us.

548
00:29:47,790 --> 00:29:51,480
And this is important
to the disability rights

549
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:53,220
and disability justice movements

550
00:29:53,220 --> 00:29:58,220
as it's a call from disabled
people for radical inclusion,

551
00:29:59,580 --> 00:30:02,703
for a place at the table, for a voice,

552
00:30:04,050 --> 00:30:07,290
and oftentimes a lead
voice in the conversation

553
00:30:07,290 --> 00:30:09,453
about what is to happen.

554
00:30:11,370 --> 00:30:14,103
In Josie and Regina's work together,

555
00:30:16,110 --> 00:30:18,480
Josie checks in with Regina

556
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:21,450
even as they are starting their work

557
00:30:21,450 --> 00:30:23,370
to determine how they will know

558
00:30:23,370 --> 00:30:24,810
when their goals have been met

559
00:30:24,810 --> 00:30:26,610
and services are no longer needed.

560
00:30:26,610 --> 00:30:29,850
So they're looking toward independence,

561
00:30:29,850 --> 00:30:33,813
they're looking toward allowance for risk.

562
00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:37,440
Josie also makes sure

563
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:39,630
to weave in the intervention approaches

564
00:30:39,630 --> 00:30:44,040
that recognize both Regina's
desire to more fully integrate

565
00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:45,930
into her work and family environments,

566
00:30:45,930 --> 00:30:50,640
as well as the ways
that these environments

567
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:53,430
may need to be adjusted,

568
00:30:53,430 --> 00:30:56,850
changed to be more inclusive

569
00:30:56,850 --> 00:31:01,413
and more affirming of Regina
and other disabled people.

570
00:31:03,300 --> 00:31:05,940
So she works one-on-one with Regina

571
00:31:05,940 --> 00:31:10,470
to support this inclusion,
but as they work together,

572
00:31:10,470 --> 00:31:14,880
Josie can also be a part
of supporting Regina

573
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:17,130
in her own advocacy efforts,

574
00:31:17,130 --> 00:31:21,270
perhaps such that she feels
increasingly more comfortable

575
00:31:21,270 --> 00:31:24,930
to advocate to her family
and her manager at work

576
00:31:24,930 --> 00:31:27,870
around neurodiversity acceptance.

577
00:31:27,870 --> 00:31:32,870
And how might the workplace
itself make changes

578
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:37,200
such that they are thinking structurally

579
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:39,780
about how they could
promote more inclusive

580
00:31:39,780 --> 00:31:41,493
and affirming practices.

581
00:31:48,780 --> 00:31:50,970
Next, we'll think about

582
00:31:50,970 --> 00:31:53,820
starting to bring the working relationship

583
00:31:53,820 --> 00:31:55,590
to some sort of close.

584
00:31:55,590 --> 00:31:58,170
We might think about this as concluding

585
00:31:58,170 --> 00:32:00,870
or terminating the working relationship.

586
00:32:00,870 --> 00:32:03,360
And it's important here to keep in mind

587
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:06,960
that there may be issues of power dynamics

588
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:10,440
that may arise about how
and when services are ended.

589
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:12,780
And this can, especially be the the case

590
00:32:12,780 --> 00:32:15,063
when services are involuntary.

591
00:32:17,340 --> 00:32:21,630
We also, once again, need to
continue to affirm connections

592
00:32:21,630 --> 00:32:25,713
with circles of support and
honor the dignity of risk.

593
00:32:29,100 --> 00:32:30,663
In our example,

594
00:32:31,530 --> 00:32:34,140
Josie and Regina take this opportunity

595
00:32:34,140 --> 00:32:36,900
to be collaborative and
collaborate together.

596
00:32:36,900 --> 00:32:39,480
Josie ensures that Regina's voice is heard

597
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:44,040
around the process of ending
the working relationship,

598
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:48,990
and agreeing on follow up as
needed and as appropriate,

599
00:32:48,990 --> 00:32:50,460
keeping the dignity of risk

600
00:32:50,460 --> 00:32:54,243
and connection with
circles of support in mind.

601
00:32:57,240 --> 00:33:02,240
And as the working
relationship concludes and as,

602
00:33:03,180 --> 00:33:08,180
or even after, it's important
to think about evaluation,

603
00:33:08,310 --> 00:33:10,510
it's important to think
about how did it go.

604
00:33:11,820 --> 00:33:16,530
And keeping in mind a
centering of the client's

605
00:33:16,530 --> 00:33:20,310
or the students or the
patient's narrative or story

606
00:33:20,310 --> 00:33:24,690
of their own experience with
the process and the outcome.

607
00:33:24,690 --> 00:33:28,530
And keeping in mind an
intersectional lens while doing this,

608
00:33:28,530 --> 00:33:30,300
how did their various identities

609
00:33:30,300 --> 00:33:32,820
and perspectives come into play?

610
00:33:32,820 --> 00:33:34,713
How were they honored or not honored?

611
00:33:36,210 --> 00:33:38,070
It's also important to think about

612
00:33:38,070 --> 00:33:41,700
how can we share some of this information,

613
00:33:41,700 --> 00:33:43,353
this story, this narrative,

614
00:33:44,190 --> 00:33:48,660
with perhaps the larger
organization or agency

615
00:33:48,660 --> 00:33:51,060
to think about how we
might improve practice

616
00:33:51,060 --> 00:33:53,850
with disability communities.

617
00:33:53,850 --> 00:33:55,740
And so in our example,

618
00:33:55,740 --> 00:33:58,500
Josie and Regina work together

619
00:33:58,500 --> 00:34:00,900
as they bring their
relationship to a close,

620
00:34:00,900 --> 00:34:05,640
to refer back to what they talked together

621
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:08,700
about how they would identify success,

622
00:34:08,700 --> 00:34:11,430
and to determine was it successful.

623
00:34:11,430 --> 00:34:15,273
And Josie listens to
Regina's perspective on this.

624
00:34:16,590 --> 00:34:20,580
Josie might also invite Regina
to share her perspective

625
00:34:20,580 --> 00:34:25,110
or receive approval from Regina

626
00:34:25,110 --> 00:34:29,680
to share findings with
the agency or even beyond

627
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:32,700
about the insights that she gained

628
00:34:32,700 --> 00:34:35,823
to inform disability affirming changes.

629
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:45,870
- So let's revisit our
image of the four circles

630
00:34:45,870 --> 00:34:48,060
encompassing the
frameworks we've discussed

631
00:34:48,060 --> 00:34:51,900
and with disability justice in the center.

632
00:34:51,900 --> 00:34:54,330
And let's also reconnect our case example

633
00:34:54,330 --> 00:34:57,690
to disability justice,
critical cultural competence,

634
00:34:57,690 --> 00:35:00,540
intersectionality and
anti-oppressive practice.

635
00:35:00,540 --> 00:35:02,100
Specifically, coming back

636
00:35:02,100 --> 00:35:04,950
to the disability justice principles

637
00:35:04,950 --> 00:35:06,270
and the practice frameworks

638
00:35:06,270 --> 00:35:08,760
to reiterate how they have guided

639
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:11,130
Josie's micro and meso level,

640
00:35:11,130 --> 00:35:14,640
so whether individual or
family and group practice,

641
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:19,413
and how they might also
guide her at the macro level,

642
00:35:20,490 --> 00:35:21,840
whether that be community,

643
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:26,840
organizationally, or
socially-based, and that engagement.

644
00:35:33,630 --> 00:35:36,720
So let's consider Josie's
work around implementing

645
00:35:36,720 --> 00:35:39,510
these practice frameworks we've discussed

646
00:35:39,510 --> 00:35:44,510
and disability justice at the
individual or group level.

647
00:35:47,460 --> 00:35:50,250
So intersectionality,
remembering intersectionality,

648
00:35:50,250 --> 00:35:53,310
as its own theoretical lens and practice,

649
00:35:53,310 --> 00:35:56,940
and as one of the 10
disability justice principles

650
00:35:56,940 --> 00:35:59,790
with a specific
recognition of how ableism,

651
00:35:59,790 --> 00:36:02,580
racism, sexism, and heterosexism

652
00:36:02,580 --> 00:36:06,180
interact to marginalize
oppress and exclude Black,

653
00:36:06,180 --> 00:36:11,180
indigenous and racialize
disabled people and communities.

654
00:36:15,150 --> 00:36:16,710
And recognizing wholeness.

655
00:36:16,710 --> 00:36:19,560
This disability justice principle

656
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:22,440
asks Josie to challenge capitalist ideas

657
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:25,740
around worth and productivity
that she may carry.

658
00:36:25,740 --> 00:36:30,740
And instead consider how and the many ways

659
00:36:30,780 --> 00:36:35,610
that disabled people contribute
to communities and society.

660
00:36:35,610 --> 00:36:39,243
And to think about how
this relates to Regina,

661
00:36:40,110 --> 00:36:42,033
and Regina's hopes and dreams.

662
00:36:44,460 --> 00:36:46,890
And also the disability justice principle

663
00:36:46,890 --> 00:36:51,510
of collective access which centers Black,

664
00:36:51,510 --> 00:36:55,140
indigenous, and queer
disabled people's experiences

665
00:36:55,140 --> 00:36:56,790
and access needs,

666
00:36:56,790 --> 00:36:58,350
and being flexible and creative

667
00:36:58,350 --> 00:37:00,910
to make this happen in practice

668
00:37:02,190 --> 00:37:04,563
and in the places Regina goes.

669
00:37:06,420 --> 00:37:07,920
Josie can help implement this

670
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:11,850
by viewing requests for
access as a strength

671
00:37:11,850 --> 00:37:14,673
and as crucial to creating
and building community.

672
00:37:19,050 --> 00:37:22,470
And let's connect this
to the organizational

673
00:37:22,470 --> 00:37:24,933
or community or society levels as well.

674
00:37:26,910 --> 00:37:31,910
So the principle of leadership
of the most impacted,

675
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:33,840
this disability justice principle

676
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:36,600
asks us to elevate,
listen to, read, follow,

677
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:38,970
and highlight the perspectives of those

678
00:37:38,970 --> 00:37:42,330
who are most impacted by harmful systems.

679
00:37:42,330 --> 00:37:43,980
For example, in Josie's workplace

680
00:37:43,980 --> 00:37:47,430
or other organizations she
may be affiliated with,

681
00:37:47,430 --> 00:37:50,490
how are Black, indigenous, racialized,

682
00:37:50,490 --> 00:37:52,500
or queer disabled people represented

683
00:37:52,500 --> 00:37:54,780
in decision making and leadership?

684
00:37:54,780 --> 00:37:57,810
And if not, what actions will Josie take

685
00:37:57,810 --> 00:38:02,810
to ensure this is brought to
the team and made a priority?

686
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:09,030
Sustainability.

687
00:38:09,030 --> 00:38:10,770
This disability justice principle

688
00:38:10,770 --> 00:38:12,870
reminds us to pace and sustain ourselves

689
00:38:12,870 --> 00:38:14,673
through this activist work.

690
00:38:16,290 --> 00:38:20,340
How does Josie ensure she
does not act too much of,

691
00:38:20,340 --> 00:38:25,340
and overextend or exploit the
disabled people most impacted.

692
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:28,860
What learning and work can she do

693
00:38:28,860 --> 00:38:31,440
that does not involve
drawing time and energy

694
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:34,173
from the disabled people most impacted.

695
00:38:36,180 --> 00:38:37,683
And interdependence.

696
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:41,280
This disability justice
principle reminds Josie

697
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:43,960
that she can help to ensure needs

698
00:38:44,843 --> 00:38:46,740
as defined by disabled people are met,

699
00:38:46,740 --> 00:38:49,170
and recognize that this
does not need to occur

700
00:38:49,170 --> 00:38:51,450
only through state run solutions

701
00:38:51,450 --> 00:38:53,970
as these can limit and control.

702
00:38:53,970 --> 00:38:55,650
This disability justice principle

703
00:38:55,650 --> 00:38:58,020
also extends to her interconnectedness

704
00:38:58,020 --> 00:38:59,830
as living beings on this planet

705
00:39:01,470 --> 00:39:05,130
and the liberation of the
Earth from human harms.

706
00:39:05,130 --> 00:39:07,560
Josie can consider how
she can practice in a way

707
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:09,840
that honors the requests
of disabled people

708
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:11,643
and their identified needs.

709
00:39:12,870 --> 00:39:15,660
Josie can also think about
how her social work practice

710
00:39:15,660 --> 00:39:17,940
can become more respectful
of the environment

711
00:39:17,940 --> 00:39:18,843
and of the planet.

712
00:39:28,830 --> 00:39:33,830
- So as we move toward wrapping
up our talk this evening,

713
00:39:34,350 --> 00:39:39,350
we invite you to consider
checking out some further reading

714
00:39:42,900 --> 00:39:46,533
in works by leading disabled
activists and authors.

715
00:39:48,720 --> 00:39:53,283
And some are websites and one is a book.

716
00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:59,120
So from Alice Wong, we have
disabilityvisibilityproject.com.

717
00:40:02,100 --> 00:40:06,963
From Eli Claire, we have eliclare.com.

718
00:40:08,580 --> 00:40:12,253
Leah Lakshmi Piepzna-Samarasinha,

719
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:17,163
you can check out brownstargirl.org.

720
00:40:20,025 --> 00:40:21,667
Sami Schalk's book,

721
00:40:21,667 --> 00:40:25,623
"Black Disability Politics"
is also worth a read.

722
00:40:27,090 --> 00:40:28,080
And you can learn more

723
00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:31,050
about the disability justice principles

724
00:40:31,050 --> 00:40:36,050
from Sins Invalid at sinsinvalid.org.

725
00:40:40,740 --> 00:40:43,080
So that concludes our prepared materials

726
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:45,870
and we would be happy to hear from you

727
00:40:45,870 --> 00:40:49,173
regarding questions or
comments you may have.

728
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:54,630
- Thank you so much, Rose and Lisa,

729
00:40:54,630 --> 00:40:56,220
for a wonderful presentation.

730
00:40:56,220 --> 00:41:00,270
There already is actually
a question in the Q&A box

731
00:41:00,270 --> 00:41:01,773
which I am going to read.

732
00:41:02,797 --> 00:41:05,760
"I have never heard about
the dignity of risk.

733
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:08,130
Can you explain that concept a bit more,

734
00:41:08,130 --> 00:41:10,350
and do you have any specific resources

735
00:41:10,350 --> 00:41:12,237
to recommend to learn more?"

736
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:23,070
- Rose, I'll defer to you if that's okay?

737
00:41:23,070 --> 00:41:25,050
And then I'll follow up, yeah.
- Sure,

738
00:41:25,050 --> 00:41:26,640
I think we can probably both add to this.

739
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:28,260
- Yeah.

740
00:41:28,260 --> 00:41:33,260
- So as I shared, and it
did come up a couple times

741
00:41:35,130 --> 00:41:36,963
or a few times in our presentation,

742
00:41:38,820 --> 00:41:41,670
it's particularly important
for disabled people

743
00:41:41,670 --> 00:41:46,350
because of the lack of voice,

744
00:41:46,350 --> 00:41:51,270
and input, and control
a lot of disabled people

745
00:41:51,270 --> 00:41:54,330
have had in their lives and continue.

746
00:41:54,330 --> 00:41:56,643
So when you think about
institutionalization,

747
00:41:57,778 --> 00:42:01,353
no input on your life, right?

748
00:42:02,310 --> 00:42:04,720
So when we talk about
the history of disability

749
00:42:06,720 --> 00:42:08,220
and disability communities,

750
00:42:08,220 --> 00:42:11,970
how people have been impacted
in a way to not have a voice,

751
00:42:11,970 --> 00:42:16,970
not have a say in their
decisions and in their lives.

752
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:19,590
So an example that I think of

753
00:42:19,590 --> 00:42:21,630
from practice around dignity of risk,

754
00:42:21,630 --> 00:42:24,483
and you will see
literature on this as well,

755
00:42:26,580 --> 00:42:31,580
is around say, someone's
decision to use substances.

756
00:42:32,340 --> 00:42:36,960
So this also relates to
harm reduction, right?

757
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:37,910
So if you're...

758
00:42:39,450 --> 00:42:40,650
I realize I might be speaking

759
00:42:40,650 --> 00:42:43,023
to a slightly different
practice context in my,

760
00:42:43,950 --> 00:42:47,550
coming from Canada, but you know,

761
00:42:47,550 --> 00:42:52,461
if for example if someone
decides to use substances

762
00:42:52,461 --> 00:42:56,950
that it links to both dignity of risk

763
00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:00,300
and also potentially
harm reduction, right?

764
00:43:00,300 --> 00:43:03,660
So how might you work with someone

765
00:43:03,660 --> 00:43:05,790
depending on your practice role

766
00:43:05,790 --> 00:43:10,380
around respecting their
decision to use substances

767
00:43:10,380 --> 00:43:15,380
and also to do so in a way
that potentially reduces harm?

768
00:43:20,700 --> 00:43:21,840
- Great. Thank you so much.

769
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:23,430
So another encouragement

770
00:43:23,430 --> 00:43:26,160
to ask your questions in the Q&A box,

771
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:30,750
and I will be reading
them to our panelists.

772
00:43:30,750 --> 00:43:31,777
Another question is,

773
00:43:31,777 --> 00:43:34,950
"How do you use disability justice

774
00:43:34,950 --> 00:43:37,227
personally in your practice?"

775
00:43:39,630 --> 00:43:40,710
- I can start with this one,

776
00:43:40,710 --> 00:43:42,810
and I also want to quickly follow up

777
00:43:42,810 --> 00:43:46,980
on Rosa's very good response
regarding dignity of risk.

778
00:43:46,980 --> 00:43:50,880
And again, highlighting, I think the issue

779
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:55,880
that oftentimes disabled
folks are infantalized,

780
00:43:56,070 --> 00:43:58,350
and so in similar situations

781
00:43:58,350 --> 00:44:02,850
where someone who is
non-disabled may be expected

782
00:44:02,850 --> 00:44:07,143
or allowed to make
self-determining choices,

783
00:44:08,100 --> 00:44:11,190
it may be that a person
with disability is not given

784
00:44:11,190 --> 00:44:13,170
the same dignity of allowance

785
00:44:13,170 --> 00:44:16,110
to make that choice simply based
on their disability, right?

786
00:44:16,110 --> 00:44:19,170
And not necessarily because
of other factors at play.

787
00:44:19,170 --> 00:44:23,610
And so that dignity of
risk really helps us

788
00:44:23,610 --> 00:44:27,870
think about how we are not being ableist

789
00:44:27,870 --> 00:44:30,960
in treating disabled people differently,

790
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:33,508
or discriminating against disabled people

791
00:44:33,508 --> 00:44:37,530
just by virtue of their disability.

792
00:44:37,530 --> 00:44:41,130
I think in terms of how
I've tried to think about

793
00:44:41,130 --> 00:44:44,740
employing disability
justice in my practice,

794
00:44:44,740 --> 00:44:48,300
for me, these principles
feel like a touchstone,

795
00:44:48,300 --> 00:44:49,560
almost, right?

796
00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:52,740
Something that I need to
continue, to go back to,

797
00:44:52,740 --> 00:44:56,013
and to remind myself
about and be reminded of.

798
00:44:57,120 --> 00:45:02,120
I think it also helps me think
about how I create space,

799
00:45:03,479 --> 00:45:06,900
so my current practice
is as an educator, right?

800
00:45:06,900 --> 00:45:08,460
A social work educator.

801
00:45:08,460 --> 00:45:09,870
And so a lot of the thinking I do

802
00:45:09,870 --> 00:45:12,600
is about how I set up my classes,

803
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:14,553
about how I set up my content,

804
00:45:15,628 --> 00:45:20,628
about how I may think about
things intersectionally.

805
00:45:21,900 --> 00:45:25,480
And so I find myself
employing these principles

806
00:45:26,610 --> 00:45:29,310
in a prospective way,

807
00:45:29,310 --> 00:45:31,560
but also as I'm in conversation

808
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:34,320
and collaboration with other people,

809
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:39,320
thinking about am I promoting collective

810
00:45:40,170 --> 00:45:41,700
sort of access and action,

811
00:45:41,700 --> 00:45:46,700
or am I falling back onto
the ableist socialization

812
00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:48,453
that I've experienced?

813
00:45:52,530 --> 00:45:55,480
Rose, I don't know if you also
have a response to this one.

814
00:45:56,640 --> 00:45:57,783
- Yeah, I can add.

815
00:45:58,710 --> 00:46:01,407
I think what's really important
with disability justice

816
00:46:01,407 --> 00:46:04,440
and disability justice
principles is we don't lose sight

817
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:07,140
of what Sins Invalid intended as well.

818
00:46:07,140 --> 00:46:09,330
And this often comes
with different frameworks

819
00:46:09,330 --> 00:46:13,800
and theoretical perspectives
including intersectionality,

820
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:16,863
you know, closely linked
to disability justice,

821
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:22,380
that as much as possible
really staying true

822
00:46:22,380 --> 00:46:24,300
to what was intended

823
00:46:24,300 --> 00:46:28,813
and what continues to
evolve from the leaders,

824
00:46:31,110 --> 00:46:33,630
the disability activists

825
00:46:33,630 --> 00:46:37,140
who formed and created Sins Invalid

826
00:46:37,140 --> 00:46:40,920
and also others that
we have mentioned too,

827
00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:45,480
that we don't lose those original meanings

828
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:50,160
and intentions in that work
is really important to me.

829
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:52,520
I think also recognizing

830
00:46:56,100 --> 00:46:59,373
that I often work in contradictory spaces.

831
00:47:00,420 --> 00:47:02,520
So as much as I wanna hold true

832
00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:07,463
to maybe anti-capitalist politics,

833
00:47:07,463 --> 00:47:10,260
if I'm working in an organization

834
00:47:10,260 --> 00:47:15,260
that is very informed by
neoliberal policies, (chuckles)

835
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:18,000
there's going to be a contradiction

836
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:20,790
as much as I might want
to be anti-capitalist,

837
00:47:20,790 --> 00:47:24,630
that if I'm working in a setting

838
00:47:24,630 --> 00:47:28,800
and I'm getting a wage from working there,

839
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:31,860
there going to be a contradiction as well.

840
00:47:31,860 --> 00:47:36,060
So I have to as much stay
true to these principles

841
00:47:36,060 --> 00:47:38,070
and practices and frameworks

842
00:47:38,070 --> 00:47:40,620
while also being very upfront and aware

843
00:47:40,620 --> 00:47:42,663
of where do I have these contradictions.

844
00:47:46,230 --> 00:47:47,533
- Great. Thank you so much.

845
00:47:47,533 --> 00:47:49,530
- I think that's an excellent point.

846
00:47:49,530 --> 00:47:53,460
And I also wanted to say
that I think that prompts me

847
00:47:53,460 --> 00:47:56,760
to also help us keep in mind, you know,

848
00:47:56,760 --> 00:47:59,850
there's no such thing
as perfection in that.

849
00:47:59,850 --> 00:48:01,980
Even in our case example,

850
00:48:01,980 --> 00:48:05,553
sort of a lot of the
things we talked about,

851
00:48:06,510 --> 00:48:07,860
we also have to keep in mind

852
00:48:07,860 --> 00:48:09,750
the potential that we're often working

853
00:48:09,750 --> 00:48:11,430
in these contradictory spaces

854
00:48:11,430 --> 00:48:16,230
or that our efforts may be barriers

855
00:48:16,230 --> 00:48:18,600
may be placed in front of our efforts

856
00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:20,530
by potential lack of resources

857
00:48:21,450 --> 00:48:26,160
or sometimes our own challenges

858
00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:30,900
in being able to keep these standards

859
00:48:30,900 --> 00:48:33,240
and these ideals in front of us.

860
00:48:33,240 --> 00:48:35,310
And so really it's mostly about

861
00:48:35,310 --> 00:48:38,310
trying to hold ourselves accountable,

862
00:48:38,310 --> 00:48:39,330
hold each other accountable,

863
00:48:39,330 --> 00:48:44,220
do the very best we can to
continue to strive toward, right?

864
00:48:44,220 --> 00:48:45,810
Using an intersectional lens

865
00:48:45,810 --> 00:48:49,440
and using anti-oppressive
practices as much as possible,

866
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:52,920
knowing that there will be
days where we make mistakes,

867
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:56,250
where we can't always reach there fully,

868
00:48:56,250 --> 00:48:58,470
but I think it's in the striving

869
00:48:58,470 --> 00:49:03,470
and in continuing to strive
that some good work can be done.

870
00:49:04,950 --> 00:49:07,227
- And to add on that,
Lisa, like I really think,

871
00:49:07,227 --> 00:49:10,920
and this probably comes back
to conversations we've had

872
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:14,490
around there's a lot
that you can do, right?

873
00:49:14,490 --> 00:49:19,490
So when you think about the
disability justice principles

874
00:49:20,190 --> 00:49:25,190
that speak to about cross
movement organizing and support.

875
00:49:26,310 --> 00:49:28,080
Yeah, right?

876
00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:31,860
There's, we can acknowledge
the contradictions,

877
00:49:31,860 --> 00:49:34,923
but we also want to
acknowledge what we can do.

878
00:49:37,290 --> 00:49:39,699
- Excellent. Thank you so much.

879
00:49:39,699 --> 00:49:41,647
Another great question in the chat.

880
00:49:41,647 --> 00:49:44,100
"Do you see a difference in the public

881
00:49:44,100 --> 00:49:47,550
or political perception
of disability rights

882
00:49:47,550 --> 00:49:50,187
when comparing the United
States and Canada?"

883
00:49:58,980 --> 00:50:00,060
- That's a really great question.

884
00:50:00,060 --> 00:50:02,220
I think we've talked a bit about it.

885
00:50:02,220 --> 00:50:03,940
I think it's certainly informed

886
00:50:05,160 --> 00:50:08,193
sort of in terms of
some different policies.

887
00:50:09,598 --> 00:50:12,480
I sort of go back to
our conversation about,

888
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:14,880
for instance, the anti-oppressive
practice perspective,

889
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:15,750
which is a perspective

890
00:50:15,750 --> 00:50:20,750
that we don't learn about
as much here in the US

891
00:50:21,030 --> 00:50:23,220
and that hasn't come to the core as much,

892
00:50:23,220 --> 00:50:26,400
where I see and have
heard from Rose and others

893
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:31,400
that much more embedded in
education and in practice

894
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:33,633
in the Canadian context.

895
00:50:35,310 --> 00:50:36,600
And we also know

896
00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:40,830
that in thinking about the
social model of disability,

897
00:50:40,830 --> 00:50:44,913
a lot of that work came out
from outside of the US context.

898
00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:49,957
And so, I think that there
are some ways in which the,

899
00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:54,810
in terms of civil rights
and in terms of action,

900
00:50:54,810 --> 00:50:57,210
that we as sort of a US system

901
00:50:57,210 --> 00:51:01,230
have a lot to learn from other systems

902
00:51:01,230 --> 00:51:03,213
by virtue of policy and theory.

903
00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:07,001
But Rose, I think from your perspective,

904
00:51:07,001 --> 00:51:10,803
I wonder too, if you have
some thoughts on this.

905
00:51:23,159 --> 00:51:25,501
- If I had to speak generally

906
00:51:25,501 --> 00:51:29,130
about what's going on in Canada,

907
00:51:29,130 --> 00:51:33,270
which I'm not a huge fan
of generalizing. (chuckles)

908
00:51:33,270 --> 00:51:35,790
We'll make a bit of a generalization here,

909
00:51:35,790 --> 00:51:40,790
is that there has been
some promising legislation

910
00:51:44,550 --> 00:51:47,943
coming through in different provinces.

911
00:51:48,930 --> 00:51:53,930
However, even with that
legislation in place,

912
00:51:55,230 --> 00:52:00,230
that fundamentally there
needs to be a shift societally

913
00:52:01,410 --> 00:52:04,113
around disability and
specifically ableism.

914
00:52:05,430 --> 00:52:08,430
That even with some, like I said,

915
00:52:08,430 --> 00:52:13,050
some promising legislation
coming into place,

916
00:52:13,050 --> 00:52:16,380
it's not in all provinces,
but different provinces,

917
00:52:16,380 --> 00:52:21,380
that there's still a
lot of ableism embedded

918
00:52:23,700 --> 00:52:28,700
in so many ways, whether
it's personal interactions,

919
00:52:29,790 --> 00:52:31,950
whether it's more systemically

920
00:52:31,950 --> 00:52:36,737
or structurally environmental setups,

921
00:52:37,918 --> 00:52:42,918
accessibility that we
have a lot of work to do.

922
00:52:48,968 --> 00:52:50,190
- Great. Thank you.

923
00:52:50,190 --> 00:52:55,110
So you shared this
amazing list of resources

924
00:52:55,110 --> 00:52:59,010
at the end of your
presentation, but other...

925
00:52:59,010 --> 00:53:01,470
In addition, disability advocates,

926
00:53:01,470 --> 00:53:03,780
especially those working
in human services,

927
00:53:03,780 --> 00:53:07,923
you might recommend others
learning more about.

928
00:53:10,560 --> 00:53:11,643
- Yeah, absolutely.

929
00:53:12,721 --> 00:53:17,610
Person who I think of is Vilissa Thompson,

930
00:53:17,610 --> 00:53:22,080
and Vilissa Thompson's a
clinical social worker,

931
00:53:22,080 --> 00:53:26,460
a disability rights
consultant, activist writer.

932
00:53:26,460 --> 00:53:29,310
She founded Ramp Your Voice,

933
00:53:29,310 --> 00:53:32,980
which is an organization focused
on promoting self-advocacy

934
00:53:34,020 --> 00:53:36,513
and empowerment among disabled people.

935
00:53:37,740 --> 00:53:40,450
I also think of Leroy Moore

936
00:53:41,970 --> 00:53:46,857
who is author of a book called
"Black Disabled Ancestors."

937
00:53:47,806 --> 00:53:51,380
And that I think is
really important as well

938
00:53:51,380 --> 00:53:56,380
in thinking about sort of the history

939
00:53:56,910 --> 00:54:01,910
of disability communities
and activism and empowerment.

940
00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:06,360
And Leroy Moore founded Krip-Hop Nation.

941
00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:09,474
And so it's using hip hop

942
00:54:09,474 --> 00:54:13,653
as a way of self-expression
for people with disabilities.

943
00:54:16,140 --> 00:54:19,290
And so those are a couple of
of folks that come to mind,

944
00:54:19,290 --> 00:54:24,290
I think who are engaged in
disability justice work.

945
00:54:27,930 --> 00:54:32,930
And I would put before you to
consider checking out more.

946
00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:37,770
Rose, I don't know if you
have others you might add.

947
00:54:37,770 --> 00:54:42,770
- I was just also thinking here in Ontario

948
00:54:43,470 --> 00:54:46,170
to check out the work

949
00:54:46,170 --> 00:54:49,680
of the Disability Justice
Network of Ontario

950
00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:54,280
and some incredible
activists here as well.

951
00:54:56,160 --> 00:55:00,420
And the lead organizer, Sarah Jama,

952
00:55:00,420 --> 00:55:05,420
just recently got elected
into the Ontario legislature,

953
00:55:06,600 --> 00:55:10,503
so it's very exciting.

954
00:55:13,950 --> 00:55:17,730
- That seems to be all the
questions that we have received.

955
00:55:17,730 --> 00:55:22,270
So unless there's a last
minute question in the chat

956
00:55:24,330 --> 00:55:25,560
and it doesn't seem to be so.

957
00:55:25,560 --> 00:55:27,930
I just wanna thank you
so much, our presenter,

958
00:55:27,930 --> 00:55:32,160
for really this terrific
introduction to the topic.

959
00:55:32,160 --> 00:55:34,050
There is so much more to learn,

960
00:55:34,050 --> 00:55:37,530
but you've shared some resources with us.

961
00:55:37,530 --> 00:55:40,260
And again, this webinar was recorded,

962
00:55:40,260 --> 00:55:43,560
so you will be able to see
a recording in a few days

963
00:55:43,560 --> 00:55:48,060
by visiting the The Salem State
Library Digital Repository.

964
00:55:48,060 --> 00:55:51,330
So thank you again to
all of you who attended.

965
00:55:51,330 --> 00:55:55,230
Have a good night, and again, thanks.

966
00:55:55,230 --> 00:55:56,850
This was wonderful. This was terrific.

967
00:55:56,850 --> 00:55:57,683
Thank you.

968
00:55:59,040 --> 00:56:00,450
- Thank you, everyone.

969
00:56:00,450 --> 00:56:01,900
- [Rose] Thank you very much.

